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aefghuys · Sep 29, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

its too not two... with your grammar skills and the way you presented this, i doubt you make that much money.

glountz · Sep 29, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

You're basically asking that owning Guild Halls should be a privilege reserved for HA PvPer's, and any PVEer or GvG/TA PvPer should acquire it at a really high price.
Not only it is pure disgusting elitism, but asking money (that is something related to PVE) for it seems rather illogical IMO.
There are PVE guilds you know?
And I'm primarily a PVPer (although casual).
Make it so balthazar priest can trade it to you for 8000 balth factions, so link a PVP reward to PVP achievement if you don't know what to do with it.
But 100k? No.
Any other suggestion will deepen the already existing gap between PVE and PVP players. I begin to be really sick of it.

Lews · Sep 29, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Oh. My. Gawd. He made a grammar mistake? oh noes? Does that have anything to do with the fact that he has been sitting at his home for a week suffering from the flu? No, it means he is a 12 year old kid because OBVIOUSLY no one has ever made a simple, common grammar mistake.

I am asking that owning Guild Halls actually be worth something, as it used to be.

Pure disgusting elitism? If you say.

Why would a PvE Guild need a Guild Hall?

Casual as in Random Arenas?

I liked the Zaishern Medallions, those were a way that PvPers could actually make money =/ Making 100k a day from those was fun

Making it worth balth faction is a stupid idea. You already get enough faction imo.

There is a huge gap between PvE and PvP for a good reason, they are completely different. One is against Computers, one is against People. You can't make them similar unless you make an NPC arena. But hey, we could also add quests in that arena... wait, sound familiar?

In actuallity my way is getting PvE and PvP closer together

Making them share a common thing, Gold!

Maybe make it so when you win a GvG match or win the HA Chest gold falls out of it, or you get a certain about of points you can turn in for gold/items/etc when you win a GvG match?

glountz · Sep 30, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by Lews

I am asking that owning Guild Halls actually be worth something, as it used to be.

It is still. Owning a Guild hall has nothing to do with plats.

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Pure disgusting elitism? If you say.

I was harsh it was necessary to point out where your kind of reasoning could lead.

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Why would a PvE Guild need a Guild Hall?

And following your thinking, why would a PvP guild need plats? To get a guild merchant to buy salvage kits for their PvP characters? Owning a guild hall is more than having a "cool item" it's a place where guild members chat, drink ale and think strategies. FUrthermore, most PvP guilds began with PVE.

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Casual as in Random Arenas?

GVG/TA. Casual means I play one or two GvG/TAs (depending on guildies present or not) a week. Often less when I have to take care of my family or of my job. Yes, I have a life.

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I liked the Zaishern Medallions, those were a way that PvPers could actually make money =/ Making 100k a day from those was fun

Making it worth balth faction is a stupid idea. You already get enough faction imo.

Zaishen medaillons gave you Balth Flames (=1000 Balth faction) and 10 flames gave you a sigil (= 10000 Balth factions).
So for Anet, a sigil is worth 10000 Balth faction. It would be fair people with too much sigils could retrieve some balth factions with it.
Most people wanted flames during the PvP event to get a sigil. So basically, you just could have sold your sigils then. I'm just wondering for what you could use all these plats as you PvP.

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There is a huge gap between PvE and PvP for a good reason, they are completely different. One is against Computers, one is against People. You can't make them similar unless you make an NPC arena. But hey, we could also add quests in that arena... wait, sound familiar?
In actuallity my way is getting PvE and PvP closer together

Making them share a common thing, Gold!
Maybe make it so when you win a GvG match or win the HA Chest gold falls out of it, or you get a certain about of points you can turn in for gold/items/etc when you win a GvG match?

I was talking about the gap between players, not the kind of play. By discussing a lot, I finally came to the conclusion that you simply can't force people to do something they don't want to do, especially when it's about a game. You won't force PVE player to PvP, and you won't force PvP players to PVE. That's it.
Any system in this game that forces either one kind of player to do the other kind of play is really badly ressented.
Two examples:
PvP players don't want to grind PVE to unlock their skills/mods/runes.
PVE players don't want to be forced to play HA (PvP) to get Favor of the Gods.

Scavenger Rage · Sep 30, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

So lets do this....

1. Sigils drop only ONCE per HA match won...

2. The sigil trader now sells sigils for a fixed price of 100k.

3. Sigils are CUSTOMIZED so you can't sell / trade them (not even for the trader).

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This way:

1. Sigils and GH actualy have some meaning...

2. PVP players don't get gold (they DO NOT NEED IT!!!).

This is my suggestion

Latter.

Franco · Sep 30, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

lol who cares whos rich and whos not in game or real life.

But anyways I think Sigils should stay like they are so people can make guilds and stuff

. and Jee.... HoH is only place you can get crystallines and dwarvens which are worth millions and you are still complaining ><.

Lews · Sep 30, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

The fact that I could sell my Medallions for 3k for a thousand means the sigil was worth 30k during that time.

Why do we need money? To buy cool items and get our PvE guys ready to PvP.

PvPers have to grind in PvP to get their skills, while PvErs have to wait and sit around and wait for us to get them favor. We get them favor, what do they get us? Higher ecto prices for the few times when we have time to PvE when we want to buy things? Thanks alot! Seem's fair to me.

You get a chance to go into FoW or the UW while we play for 2-3 hours without a guarentee of getting anything out of it except a few hundred fame.

I had a run of 43 wins in the HoH without any items. I'm sure plenty of PvErs got alot of ecto during all those times I got them favor. The fact that I had just got a Crystalline Sword has nothing to do with this.

Franco · Sep 30, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Well this guy has a very good point..

Zui · Sep 30, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by glountz

you won't force PvP players to PVE.

Which is why almost every single competitive PvP player has grinded at least one PvP ready PvE charactar to remain competitive? I'm sure some of them may have had fun doing it, but in my experience, most of them absolutly hated it.

Thorin Monk · Sep 30, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

if you want to make money play pve....if you want to pvp then do it...or you could do this amazing thing, doing them both, omfg no way you can man i am going to patent that, make me rich.

seriously...stop whining about the sigils, it is like anything, the more there are in the game, the lower the price will be, you know supply and demand, that type of thing. if you want to make money, farm or something, you dont need favor to farm.

lastly...no one cares if you have a crystalline sword, stop trying to sound uber rich...the truely rich dont need to do that..

Zui · Sep 30, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Dear Thorn, maybe you're entirely clueless because you only play PvE, or maybe you're entirely clueless because you're amazingly stupid and/or ignorant, either way, almost every serious PvP player already plays PvE, not because they enjoy it, or want to, but because they need to play PvE so they can play PvP at a competitive level.

I'm sure you would be absolutly outraged if you were forced to spend 300+ hours PvPing so you could do FoW. So why should PvPers need to spend 300+ hours in PvE farming so they can PvP?

I thought Guild Wars was about Skill over Grind.

Scavenger Rage · Sep 30, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Zui....if you think for a second that PVP made chars are not as competitive as ANY PVE...the problem is with your skills...

I lost the count of how many times I killed ignorant players wearing fow armor's and wielding crystalline swords...

PVP is not about making money, if you think different let this idea die because YOU ARE WRONG. PVE ALSO is not specific about making money (OMGZZZZZZZZRRRZZZZZZZZZ), it is all about cooperative play!

Have you got to the same astonishing conclusion everybody else have by now?! This game doest require MONEY to progress!!! fow, crystallines, 15k’s, minipets, mursaat hammers, surmit axes.... they are ALL FOR THE LOOKS!!! They are not even REMOTELY necessary to be competitive in ANY WAY!!!

This subject is dead....now lets talk briefly about your last effort to transform this thread into a "flame war"...since the start, you ARE WRONG! Many people tried to explain how GW is not based on money but you simply overlooked trough everybody and tried to impress your opinion on everybody’s mind... IF you are so worried about money, stop writing here and go e-bay ok?! You seem to have the perfect mentality for this kind of deal...

And btw Lews...

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PvPers have to grind in PvP to get their skills, while PvErs have to wait and sit around and wait for us to get them favor. We get them favor, what do they get us? Higher ecto prices for the few times when we have time to PvE when we want to buy things? Thanks alot! Seem's fair to me.

You get a chance to go into FoW or the UW while we play for 2-3 hours without a guarentee of getting anything out of it except a few hundred fame.

I had a run of 43 wins in the HoH without any items. I'm sure plenty of PvErs got alot of ecto during all those times I got them favor. The fact that I had just got a Crystalline Sword has nothing to do with this.

That's a completely unfounded logic... thinking that you are entitled to PVE content for playing PVP is just absurd... if you want "cool" items and such, go play PVE and be done with it. PVP is just for the thrill of the battle itself, learn to live with it.

Latter.

broodijzer · Sep 30, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Since when do PvPers have to spend 300 hours in pve? Can't you just create a char with the best stuff in a few minutes?

Zui · Oct 01, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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